
When you set your children off on their educational journey you have dreams of an idealistic life of happiness, development and fulfilment. Then you wake up…
On todays episode of Fight Club.
An argument broke out on the morning school bus. Several kids got involved in a heated exchange. Resulted in one of the protagonists being hit over the head with a bottle. Thankfully a plastic one.
In the first lesson a boy accidentally bumps into another boy. Quickly a pushing and finger pointing encounter develops. This is broken up by the teacher and negatives are issued.
In the next lesson boy X makes a not very nice comment about boy Y. This escalated into a missile exchange. Pens, rulers, calculators and books are launched. Again the teacher breaks this up and more negatives are issued.
In the final lesson of the day boy Y makes a comment about boy X. Suddenly a chair is hurled and a full fist fight breaks out with a few other kids getting involved. Teacher issues negatives and a couple of isolations.
On the afternoon school bus one boy accused another one of being unpopular and without friends. Quickly punches were exchanged. Several other kids got involved. Ended up with one boy in tears with a bloody nose.
Thankfully our son was just an observer in all these incidents. He did get hit by a stray projectile but it wasn’t intended for him and absolutely no pain inflicted. Not really sure how he views these incidents through his Aspergers filters. I suppose it teaches him about life. It might encourage him to start a martial arts club – these can really help with confidence and coordination. It highlights the issues many kids face when they are assigned to the bottom set. It’s certainly makes homeschooling look more attractive.
Uh oh maybe the Supermoon was affecting them… LOL!
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Could be. But school doesn’t have many disruptive kids. But they don’t try to help them, they just dump them in our son’s class then just issue repeated negatives which have no impact.
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Its really disappointing. Guess thats part of the reason they act out
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I suspect so. But it is only a really small minority at our school. So I just don’t understand why they don’t try harder to help with the behaviour.
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I also wonder. Do you think its because (1) they get overwhelmed and/or (2) don’t really know how to contain it?
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I don’t know. It could be. But I don’t think school is really trying that much to get to the bottom of it. It feels like a containment exercise rather than a solving exercise.
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Id say thats it exactly…sp hard to understand how their minds work 🙄
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I’m convinced many are great kids maybe just they don’t fit in our narrow world as yet….
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I think thats going to hapoen more and more. A ‘system’ only serves narrow parameters sadly.
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Sadly so true
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This is life with many secondary schools in the western world. It shouldn’t be like this, but it is. No use trying to change it, just decide how you will live around it – or leave it.
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It’s just survival. Just get annoyed that school doesn’t try more to help the disruptive kids, just shouting at them and then putting them all in one class is not helping.
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More staff and smaller classes might contribute a little to easing the situation.
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I don’t know how they expect kids to learn in this kind of environment? Imagine if your work day ways punctuated with colleagues having punch ups, how stressful would that b without being autistic, let alone if you were? Glad your son was unhurt and not targeted.
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It is disruptive. Thanks he was ok.
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Maybe boys are high strung at this age, easily aroused to anger. Thank God, that your son wasn’t involved.
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Problem is that it is so easy to get caught up in that sort of thing, especially if it’s continually repeating.
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Oh, yes. Even peace loving kids get drawn in these brawls. And they all feel justified, though there is really no justification for this behavior
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None. But this has been going on for years. But the plus is that so many kids have the right attitude.
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That’s great
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It certainly seems to be the culture nowadays. Trying to spread the message that violence doesn’t solve anything is pretty difficult. Add to that the culture of not wanting to be a ‘grass’ and the problem gets worse. I wish I had the answer.
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I can’t see an easy answer. Certainly I think the school needs to be more proactive and see if they can assist parents in tackling some of the routes of the disruption.
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I’m going to propose a slightly different take on this from the other commentators. From my memories of school, and reading and hearing of school days further back than that, I would say it was ever thus, and will always be thus. Large numbers of children, especially boys, all put together – somewhat volatile. The trick is to find ways to manage the situations that will happen. Not that I’m saying that is easy…
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And we are legally bound to send our children into this jungle
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Apparently so…
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Thank god your boy was not involved or injured. I wonder too what he is thinking of their behaviour. I seriously hope you are able to homeschool or another alternative as this cannot be a good environment for him.
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Got to weigh up options, but school doing everything to push me in one direction
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Good luck.
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Apparently today was not a fight club day…
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Hurrah!
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🙏
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I find that children are becoming more and more violent in their reactions lately. I’m not sure what it is, maybe they are just not being taught how to properly express their emotions? When I was a supply teacher, I had two girls start a fight and actually threaten to kill each other in a grade 5/6 class. And in another school two boys started a fist fight in the back of the classroom. Both times I was left with no support on how to handle the situation. As a new teacher it was horrible. If the principal or another teacher was brought in to diffuse the situation I was excused from the room. So I’m still left with an inadequate knowledge on how to deal with that in a classroom
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Speaking with a health professional she said that at the local schools they have stopped working with the health people at trying to work on the behaviour. They just seem to put all the kids school class as difficult into one group and then just try to isolate that group from the rest of the school. Unfortunately this is never going to work and the school clearly classes kids with autism and Aspergers and dyslexics in the same way as they are put into this group too.
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Yeah that is never going to work! Schools here now have a behavioural team where students are sent to trained professionals and councillors to help with outbursts. But the public system isn’t handling it well
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That sounds a much better way.
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Yes but they don’t always work. The fist fight participants were sent to this program as soon as I could get them broken up but one was sent back within minutes of going.
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That was quick….
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Yeah lol
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🙏🙏😁
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I sent all my boys to kick boxing & it did them wonders. My eldest son, who is autistic, gained so much confidence & also gained his black belt! He gave up after that though because he didn’t want to progress to the adults class, which was a shame…
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Yes it does sound a really good option but son doesn’t want to be in a group learning environment….
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Wow! That is a lot! I wonder how your son did perceive all that. If you are Declan’s friend, and someone is mean to you – Declan will attack. He is very protective in that way but often misperceives the situation. He used to adore this teenager friend of the family, and when the teenager’s little brother dunked him at the pool in fun Declan went and punched the little brother in the nose and told him “Never hurt Seth again!” Kind of admirable.
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It is so pure. Currently I think he sees it as all rather bizarre…
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Holy cow. In the States (my school district anyway) they would have been handing out suspensions once things got thrown. And expulsions once things went fisticuffs. Once, my 9 year old son took his pocket knife to school to show it off. We were able to talk down the “mandatory expulsion” into a week long suspension. Very different societies.
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Does sound like it. A knife what warrant the police in our country.
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All three of my boys go to karate. It does do a lot for their self confidence and, in the case of the twins, has given them a fair bit of help with self-discipline and staying focused.
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It is a great idea. Still trying to convince son.
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Best of luck 😊
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Thanks
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Elementary school? Yikes, no rules? I drove a bus taking children to school but they were all elementary age. This sounds like a high school activity in inner city.
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Definitely sounds like something. I bet that was cool driving the bus with kids.
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Modern life leaves me lost for words, I have no idea what negatives are but in my day any one of these incidents would have resulted in being caned, this may explain why incidents of this sort were extremely rare in my school days.
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Changed world
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Yes, very much so.
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🙏
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I agree. :))
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Thanks
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Sadly, Bash is sometimes the instigator of fights like this. 😦 Glad your son stayed in the clear. martial arts isn’t a bad idea, actually. Lots of exercise, build up confidence, and a social activity, too! 🙂
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Bash will work through it. I remember being a headcase as soon as I walked into a football or rugby pitch. I was always getting banned. I became a mild mannered super hero……….in my dreams. xxxxxx
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I can believe that. xxxxxx
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Hope your talk went brilliantly. xxx
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Fingers crossed!
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I’m hoping this day was the exception, rather than the rule???
Your son would be in the equivalent of our last year (6th year) of Primary school – that kind of behaviour was unheard of in my time at primary school, which coincidentally allowed caning (i finished my schooling just as it began to be banned). I should probably point out that there was a little bad behaviour i witnessed in our Senior school where in one case ‘The Bad Kid’ stabbed someone in a knife fight in the arm and back. That got him expelled and i think a detention (kids prison) sentence. There were also a few odd after-school fights, sometimes with a bunch of kids from the neighbouring Catholic School (we were a govt school).
I hope your son understand that most people operate from emotion and not rationalism or logic. A few can usually control themselves enough to not need to go to Gaol for random acts of violence, but don’t ever rely upon anyone to stay in control of their more violent tendencies 24/7 – especially not in the madness that is today’s society. Things tend to spiral out of control with much greater rapidity today than they used to when i was a kid/youth.
I do not envy you but wish you every success with future plans. 🙂
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Yesterday wasn’t a fight club day. Bit of shouting. He just sees the whole thing completely bizarre.
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Nothing wrong with his assessment of other people’s behaviour then!
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No I think he sees many things as bizarre. Doesn’t understand them but it’s clearly bizarre.
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Ahhhh! Thinking we understand things from the limited information we have and the imperfect beings we are – that’s bizarre! 🙂
Human, but bizarre none-the-less.
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In my day you wouldn’t dare chuck your chair about as the school didn’t have enough and you would end up sitting in the floor for the rest of the year.
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Or outside the Principal’s office!… not that I’d know, just from what i was told!
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I bet…. I remember joining the morning queue for his office. Depending how bad the offence determined if you joined the end of the queue or got fast tracked….l
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That sounds awful. School should not be like this. I honestly don’t know what is wrong with society?
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It’s gone a bit bizarre.
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Had 3 1/2 years of martial arts. Excellent idea.
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At the moment he is saying no to the idea. Maybe I can save some money up and pay for a few one on one sessions.
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